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【とんぼ】長渕剛 Part4【乾杯】
角松敏生 part258
【宮崎駿 北野武】 久石譲 【新日本ﾌｨﾙWDO】
おﾌﾗﾝｽのﾃﾞﾀﾗﾒについて語るｽﾚ
【IRCAM】スペクトル楽派【フランス】その２
小田和正
【 】 ピエール・ブーレーズ 【 】
鶴は千年、亀は万年、ラモンテヤングは永遠
キーボードを見ないで「現代音楽」と打つスレ
ソラブジ
赤西仁応援スレ【アンチ出入り禁止】
- 1 ：2018/05/03 ～ 最終レス ：2018/07/07
- さあ語ろう❗
- 2 ：
- 大阪楽しみ
- 3 ：
- 楽しかった！楽しかった！
仁くん最の高
- 4 ：
- 赤西仁いいよね
- 5 ：
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- 6 ：
- うんこ
- 7 ：
- 赤西仁は若返ってるね
- 8 ：
- 赤西仁はカッコいい
- 9 ：
- 赤西仁は歌が上手い
- 10 ：
- 赤西仁はダンスが巧い
- 11 ：
- 赤西仁はハンサム
- 12 ：
- 赤西仁は多才
- 13 ：
- an・anの恋人にしたいランキングで木村福山に次いで3位って凄いな
- 14 ：
- 顔もファッションも曲もいい
あともうちょい歌上手くなれば完璧になれる
- 15 ：
- 更なる可能性に期待しかない
- 16 ：
- 同発にサザンがいるから2位狙い
- 17 ：
- 売上伸びるんだろうね
楽しみ
- 18 ：
- 三代目の今市には勝ちたい
- 19 ：
- 37 2007年01月05日 23:02
M. F.
> 時岡玉枝さま
お返事が遅くなって申し訳ありません。
ブーレーズおよび日本でのブーレーズの音楽に関する言論状況についてお持ちのご不満は
主に、少なくとも一般に広く流布しているものに関しては、やや衒学的なレベルの議論が
多く楽譜の実質的内容に踏み込んだものがほとんどない事であると理解しました。
確かに、ある時期以降のブーレーズの著作には、理論的な記述はほとんど見られなく
なりますね。ライヴ・エレクトロニクスを用いる3作品は楽譜すら購入不可能ですが、
これは個人的にも大きな不満のひとつです。（なおLa corruption...は1956年ですので、
これ以降というとほとんどすべて、たとえばPenser la musique aujourd'huiなども
含まれてしまうことになりますね。）
ただし記憶が正しければ、（私自身見聞きしたわけではありませんが）ブーレーズは
'70年代以降も自作に関するレクチャーを時たま行っていたと思います。彼がそれを
文字にするのに必要な（する気があるかどうかは別として）時間を手に入れるのは
いつになるでしょう？？
一方で、現今の日本におけるブーレーズに纏わる言説で「質の低いもの」が抱える問題は、
「事実の入念な検討」を欠いていること、それも楽譜の分析を知っているかどうかという
レベルではなくて、日本語で参照可能なブーレーズ自身の著述（謂わば"1.5次"資料）に
すらあたっていない事に起因すると考えるので、それはある程度書き手の自己責任かな、
と思います。
何れにせよ、ブーレーズを含む20世紀の音楽について、他の芸術との相関において
語り得る、あるいは語られなければならない側面についてすら、一般向けの適切な解説を
見出すことは稀なので（もちろんブーレーズ自身は沢山語っていますが、彼は直接的言及を
避けるタイプですし、単独では理解は容易ではありませんから）自分で補完しなければ
ならない現今の状況は、何とも不自由だなと感じています。
あまりお返事にはなっていないかと思いますが、とりあえず。
- 20 ：
- 38 2007年01月06日 20:26
時岡玉枝
＞M.F.さま
私の発言のような、単にエンピリカル/プラグマティックな物言いで 誤魔化されることは
お嫌いなのだろうな、という事は 承知の上で、
敢えて、わたしレヴェルの意見に 真摯にお答えいただきましたことには、
おおげさでなく 心より感謝いたします。
皮肉と受け取らないでいただければ 幸いなのですが…
と同時に、やはり M.F.さまですら、
ブーレーズ自身というより、受容・解釈モデルでの問題は大きな障害になっているのだな、
とご教示いただき、反省いたしました。
殊に「事実の入念な検討」に関するご指摘、まことに耳が痛いです。
ひとつだけ、お耳に入れるのも苦しい話題ですが、わたしは『のだめカンタービレ』の
ファンと、エマニュエル・パーユやケラスの表層的なファンと、ブーレーズ関係の音楽学が
なぜこうも 凄まじく乖離してしまうのか、そこに答えを出せないと、このバナールな
『のだめ』＝クラシックファンやＢＰＯマニアレヴェルの 疑問にも、少なくとも
ドメスティックレヴェルでは まともに向き合えないような気がしているのです。
（この『のだめ』を、よしんばチェリビダッケやアーノンクールにまでレヴェルアップしても、
状況は変わらない気がします）
…もちろん、「それこそ自己責任だ」とおっしゃられるとすれば、まったく異議はございません。
「あまり返事にはなっていない」とおっしゃるのは、無論ご謙遜で、重要な示唆をいただいて
おります。
ライヴエレクトロニクスについては、ご承知のように それこそ４Ｘの時代から、ほとんど
（従来のミュジコロジー的観点からは）説明不可能な事態が続いており、「単に修辞的な
説明しかない」という抗議であれば、むしろスペクトル楽派以後の世代に 向けるべきなの
かもしれません。その点で、Penser la musique aujourd'hui などはギリギリの選択＝投企
なのだということも、ある程度 理解できるつもりでおります。
いずれにもせよ、「ブーレーズがそれ（レクチャー等のEnlightenment… この語が適切で
あるかはともかく）を文字にする時間を手に入れられるのはいつになるのか」という問いは、
感傷交じりに、非常に実存的な問題として受け取らせていただきました。
ありがとうございます。
- 21 ：
- 爬虫類亀梨ヲタはタレントと瓜二つで性根が腐
敵視したら赤西スレを全て潰すという低劣な亀婆
- 22 ：
- 332 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:03:35 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
- 23 ：
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- 24 ：
- 331 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:02:51 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) The ID:uraCrKnu 37 2007 January 05, year 23:02.
M. F.
> Tamae Tokioka
I am sorry for late the answer.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
For the time being though it is not thought that it becomes an answer so much.
- 25 ：
- 331 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:02:51 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) The ID:uraCrKnu 37 2007 January 05, year 23:02.
M. F.
> Tamae Tokioka
I am sorry for late the answer.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
For the time being though it is not thought that it becomes an answer so much.
- 26 ：
- 赤西に憧れる古巣の後輩君たちが多くてビックリ
- 27 ：
- 331 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:02:51 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) The ID:uraCrKnu 37 2007 January 05, year 23:02.
M. F.
> Tamae Tokioka
I am sorry for late the answer.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
For the time being though it is not thought that it becomes an answer so much.
- 28 ：
- 38 2007年01月06日 20:26
時岡玉枝
＞M.F.さま
私の発言のような、単にエンピリカル/プラグマティックな物言いで 誤魔化されることは
お嫌いなのだろうな、という事は 承知の上で、
敢えて、わたしレヴェルの意見に 真摯にお答えいただきましたことには、
おおげさでなく 心より感謝いたします。
皮肉と受け取らないでいただければ 幸いなのですが…
と同時に、やはり M.F.さまですら、
ブーレーズ自身というより、受容・解釈モデルでの問題は大きな障害になっているのだな、
とご教示いただき、反省いたしました。
殊に「事実の入念な検討」に関するご指摘、まことに耳が痛いです。
ひとつだけ、お耳に入れるのも苦しい話題ですが、わたしは『のだめカンタービレ』の
ファンと、エマニュエル・パーユやケラスの表層的なファンと、ブーレーズ関係の音楽学が
なぜこうも 凄まじく乖離してしまうのか、そこに答えを出せないと、このバナールな
『のだめ』＝クラシックファンやＢＰＯマニアレヴェルの 疑問にも、少なくとも
ドメスティックレヴェルでは まともに向き合えないような気がしているのです。
（この『のだめ』を、よしんばチェリビダッケやアーノンクールにまでレヴェルアップしても、
状況は変わらない気がします）
…もちろん、「それこそ自己責任だ」とおっしゃられるとすれば、まったく異議はございません。
「あまり返事にはなっていない」とおっしゃるのは、無論ご謙遜で、重要な示唆をいただいて
おります。
ライヴエレクトロニクスについては、ご承知のように それこそ４Ｘの時代から、ほとんど
（従来のミュジコロジー的観点からは）説明不可能な事態が続いており、「単に修辞的な
説明しかない」という抗議であれば、むしろスペクトル楽派以後の世代に 向けるべきなの
かもしれません。その点で、Penser la musique aujourd'hui などはギリギリの選択＝投企
なのだということも、ある程度 理解できるつもりでおります。
いずれにもせよ、「ブーレーズがそれ（レクチャー等のEnlightenment… この語が適切で
あるかはともかく）を文字にする時間を手に入れられるのはいつになるのか」という問いは、
感傷交じりに、非常に実存的な問題として受け取らせていただきました。
ありがとうございます。
- 29 ：
- 38 2007年01月06日 20:26
時岡玉枝
＞M.F.さま
私の発言のような、単にエンピリカル/プラグマティックな物言いで 誤魔化されることは
お嫌いなのだろうな、という事は 承知の上で、
敢えて、わたしレヴェルの意見に 真摯にお答えいただきましたことには、
おおげさでなく 心より感謝いたします。
皮肉と受け取らないでいただければ 幸いなのですが…
と同時に、やはり M.F.さまですら、
ブーレーズ自身というより、受容・解釈モデルでの問題は大きな障害になっているのだな、
とご教示いただき、反省いたしました。
殊に「事実の入念な検討」に関するご指摘、まことに耳が痛いです。
ひとつだけ、お耳に入れるのも苦しい話題ですが、わたしは『のだめカンタービレ』の
ファンと、エマニュエル・パーユやケラスの表層的なファンと、ブーレーズ関係の音楽学が
なぜこうも 凄まじく乖離してしまうのか、そこに答えを出せないと、このバナールな
『のだめ』＝クラシックファンやＢＰＯマニアレヴェルの 疑問にも、少なくとも
ドメスティックレヴェルでは まともに向き合えないような気がしているのです。
（この『のだめ』を、よしんばチェリビダッケやアーノンクールにまでレヴェルアップしても、
状況は変わらない気がします）
…もちろん、「それこそ自己責任だ」とおっしゃられるとすれば、まったく異議はございません。
「あまり返事にはなっていない」とおっしゃるのは、無論ご謙遜で、重要な示唆をいただいて
おります。
ライヴエレクトロニクスについては、ご承知のように それこそ４Ｘの時代から、ほとんど
（従来のミュジコロジー的観点からは）説明不可能な事態が続いており、「単に修辞的な
説明しかない」という抗議であれば、むしろスペクトル楽派以後の世代に 向けるべきなの
かもしれません。その点で、Penser la musique aujourd'hui などはギリギリの選択＝投企
なのだということも、ある程度 理解できるつもりでおります。
いずれにもせよ、「ブーレーズがそれ（レクチャー等のEnlightenment… この語が適切で
あるかはともかく）を文字にする時間を手に入れられるのはいつになるのか」という問いは、
感傷交じりに、非常に実存的な問題として受け取らせていただきました。
ありがとうございます。
- 30 ：
- おまいらの口車に乗せられてサントリーホールまで足を運んだおいらが来ましたよ、と。
客席になんだか女子中高生が多かった気がしたのは堤先生のご威光によるものなのか、野平
先生のピアノの弟子筋が大挙して来ていたのか。
前半の野平作品はみんなよく寝ていただけました。俺はピアニストとしての先生の名人芸と
頭髪には全く称賛を惜しまない者だが、残念ながら作曲の方はご縁がなかったらしい。前の
方で盲導犬が大人しく（当然か）聴いて居たが、あやつの評価を訊いてみたく思った。
んなことはいい。ブーレーズだ。
アンサンブルアンポンタンだかなんだかのディスクでかつて聴いた印象とは大分違った。
チャンスオペレーションによるものなのか改訂によるものなのかは不明。どうせ楽譜見たって
わからんだろうし。都響はよく頑張っていたと思う。
ただ、アンサンブルインテルミラノだかなんだかの演奏では「ミュルティプル」に入った途端
音楽が水彩色になって鮮やかに集散し出したとの印象があったのだが、あれは録音のマジック
だったのかそれとも今回の楽譜が改訂ならぬ改悪だったのか、今いちぱっとしない感じだった。
演奏者が指揮者の左手の数字のサイン（割と順番に出していた気がしたけど）を緊張して見て
いたのがわかったが、番号がかわる都度音楽が滞ったように思えたのはどんなもんかね。
ツィンバロンが調子の狂った箏曲のような歌を突然奏でたり様々な色や大きさの粒子を一斉に
ぶちまけたりと部分部分でははっとさせられる場面が多いのだが、これを無限に変奏し続ける
意味があるのかは正直疑問に感じた。というか終盤は飽きた。永遠に未完の音楽を創り続ける
俺カコイイというブー先生とはお付き合いしきれんと思った。四の五の言わせずきっちり完成
させる厳しいママンがいたらいいのにと思った。ピエール瀧はふつうの俳優になったら嫌だと
思った。
あと全ステージを通じて鍵盤の前に大井浩明のようなガタイのいい坊っちゃんカットの奏者が
いたのであるが、月末に指先を思いっきし酷使するシュトックハウゼンの演奏会を控えている
大井浩明がこんな場所にいるはずがないので目の錯覚だと思った。ちょっとしたお得感。
長くてすまんね。以上。
- 31 ：
- Q:作品の題名のことで、まるでグレゴリオ聖歌か何かを思わせるような題名を数多く採用されているのには
ご自身の音楽の中に何かそういった宗教的な内容を含めようとされてのことなのでしょうか。
A:いえ、そういうわけではないのです。西洋クラシックの音楽には典型的なタイトルがあって
それぞれある意味を内包したものです。すなわち交響曲とか協奏曲などがそれです。
私も若いときにはソナチネやソナタなどというタイトルを自作に用いていました。
しかし、ある時期からそうした決まりきった意味を内包するタイトルと私の作風が合致しないという風に思い始めました。
たとえば主題を展開していくような音楽ではなく響きの構造を表した音楽を書いたときにはそのタイトルがソナタというのでは意図が十分に伝わらないというようなことです。
レポンとは応対するという意味ですが、そのタイトルがこの作品に私が込めた意味を内包しているということはもちろん、その意味をそれとして限定的なものにしない、
ある程度自由な解釈のできる言葉だということでと、まさしくぴったりの題名だと思っています。
- 32 ：
- きちってんなあ亀婆w
- 33 ：
- >>516
> Q:シュル・アンシーズはもともと５分ほどのピアノ曲であったのを４５分の作品に拡大されたものですが、
> アンテームなども含めてこのように限られた素材を増殖させて長大な作品を形作るという作風は
> 近年のブーレーズさんの一つの特徴だと思われますが、
> なぜそのようなことになったのか少しお話いただけませんでしょうか。
>
> A:はい、このような考えは私が指揮の活動をしている上で得た経験が元になっています。
> ここにいるみなさんはご存じでしょうが、フランスの作曲家たちは比較的短い曲を書くのが伝統としてありました。
> ドビュッシーも晩年のソナタ群を例に挙げるまでもなくそうですし。ラヴェルもそうです。
> 例外としてダフニスとクロエがありますが、あれはバレエ音楽でそれだけの尺が必要だということもあったと思います。
> ともかくもフランスの伝統では物事を切り詰めて単純化したところに美を見いだすようなところがあるように思います。
> 私は７０年代後半からマーラーの交響曲やワーグナーの指輪を指揮するようになったのですが、
> そうしているうちに私もこのように長いものを書くことができるし、書くべきではないかと思うようになっていきました。
> 若い頃にはアイデアがたくさんあってもそれを発展させるということにはあまり熱心ではありませんでした。
> 発展させる能力がなかったともいえます。指輪でも最後に書かれた神々の黄昏とはじめの２編（ラインの黄金とワルキューレ）との間には
> 明らかな差があって神々の黄昏においてはモチーフの扱い方に大変な進歩が見られます。
> つまりはそういうことです。
> シュル・アンシーズはおっしゃるとおり元々はピアノ曲で作曲家のベリオとピアニストのポリーニが主に関わったイタリアのピアノコンクールのために書いたものです。
> 彼らが何か書いてくれというので引き受けたものですが、コンクールの審査基準として重要なvirtuosityとsonorityの二つの要素を満たすために、
> 最初の部分は響きのために後半は演奏者の名技を発揮させるべく心得て書きました。そのときにはそれだけのことだったのです。
> それからしばらくして、私はポリーニのためにピアノ協奏曲を書きたいと思いました。
> この協奏曲というのも名ばかりのもので、オーケストラとピアノを対峙させるようものにはならないということは明白だったわけですが。
> そこで出てきたのがアンシーズを拡大させるというアイデアです。私はまずこの曲を３つのピアノのために書き換えました。
> つまり真ん中のピアノを主体として、その両脇に鏡をおくようなことをイメージしたのです。
> そしてすぐにそれだけでは音響として弱いということに気がつきました。そこでピアノの音響を補うために打楽器を用いたのです。
> このような形態の作品にはバルトークの２台のピアノとパーカッションのためのソナタがありますし、ストラヴィンスキーの狐は４台のピアノですが、
> 私の作品がピアノ３台であるのは先ほどお話したとおりで、別に２と４の間をとったというわけではありませんよ。
> ともかくそのようにして打楽器を付け加えて、もっと響きの多様さを演出したくなったのであとからハープも足すことにしました。
> なぜハープという柔らかで優雅な響きの楽器をピアノとパーカッションに付け足すことになったのか。
> 私も一般的なイメージ通りのハープのグリッサンドのような表現を取り入れようとは思いませんでした。
> コンテンポランのハーピストはとても優秀で、柔らかな響きはもちろんですがとても硬い響きを生み出すことができます。私はハープのそのような側面を利用しようとしました。
> こうして９人の演奏者によるアンサンブルとなったのですが、これによって縦と横、二種類の組合わせを駆使することができるようになりました。
> すなわちハープ、ピアノ、パーカッション３種類の楽器という横の線３本による組み合わせ、そしてこの３種類の楽器を一つと考えたときにできる縦の線が３本というわけです。
> これによって先ほどリハーサルでも聴いていただいたような多様な響きを作り出すことができました。
> これはパウル・ザッハーの９０歳の誕生日に捧げた曲ですが、９０歳と９人をかけて語呂あわせをした、というわけではありません。それは偶然そうなったにすぎないのです。
- 34 ：
- 亀婆きちってんなあw
- 35 ：
- Q:シュル・アンシーズはもともと５分ほどのピアノ曲であったのを４５分の作品に拡大されたものですが、
アンテームなども含めてこのように限られた素材を増殖させて長大な作品を形作るという作風は
近年のブーレーズさんの一つの特徴だと思われますが、
なぜそのようなことになったのか少しお話いただけませんでしょうか。
A:はい、このような考えは私が指揮の活動をしている上で得た経験が元になっています。
ここにいるみなさんはご存じでしょうが、フランスの作曲家たちは比較的短い曲を書くのが伝統としてありました。
ドビュッシーも晩年のソナタ群を例に挙げるまでもなくそうですし。ラヴェルもそうです。
例外としてダフニスとクロエがありますが、あれはバレエ音楽でそれだけの尺が必要だということもあったと思います。
ともかくもフランスの伝統では物事を切り詰めて単純化したところに美を見いだすようなところがあるように思います。
私は７０年代後半からマーラーの交響曲やワーグナーの指輪を指揮するようになったのですが、
そうしているうちに私もこのように長いものを書くことができるし、書くべきではないかと思うようになっていきました。
若い頃にはアイデアがたくさんあってもそれを発展させるということにはあまり熱心ではありませんでした。
発展させる能力がなかったともいえます。指輪でも最後に書かれた神々の黄昏とはじめの２編（ラインの黄金とワルキューレ）との間には
明らかな差があって神々の黄昏においてはモチーフの扱い方に大変な進歩が見られます。
つまりはそういうことです。
シュル・アンシーズはおっしゃるとおり元々はピアノ曲で作曲家のベリオとピアニストのポリーニが主に関わったイタリアのピアノコンクールのために書いたものです。
彼らが何か書いてくれというので引き受けたものですが、コンクールの審査基準として重要なvirtuosityとsonorityの二つの要素を満たすために、
最初の部分は響きのために後半は演奏者の名技を発揮させるべく心得て書きました。そのときにはそれだけのことだったのです。
それからしばらくして、私はポリーニのためにピアノ協奏曲を書きたいと思いました。
この協奏曲というのも名ばかりのもので、オーケストラとピアノを対峙させるようものにはならないということは明白だったわけですが。
そこで出てきたのがアンシーズを拡大させるというアイデアです。私はまずこの曲を３つのピアノのために書き換えました。
つまり真ん中のピアノを主体として、その両脇に鏡をおくようなことをイメージしたのです。
そしてすぐにそれだけでは音響として弱いということに気がつきました。そこでピアノの音響を補うために打楽器を用いたのです。
このような形態の作品にはバルトークの２台のピアノとパーカッションのためのソナタがありますし、ストラヴィンスキーの狐は４台のピアノですが、
私の作品がピアノ３台であるのは先ほどお話したとおりで、別に２と４の間をとったというわけではありませんよ。
ともかくそのようにして打楽器を付け加えて、もっと響きの多様さを演出したくなったのであとからハープも足すことにしました。
なぜハープという柔らかで優雅な響きの楽器をピアノとパーカッションに付け足すことになったのか。
私も一般的なイメージ通りのハープのグリッサンドのような表現を取り入れようとは思いませんでした。
コンテンポランのハーピストはとても優秀で、柔らかな響きはもちろんですがとても硬い響きを生み出すことができます。私はハープのそのような側面を利用しようとしました。
こうして９人の演奏者によるアンサンブルとなったのですが、これによって縦と横、二種類の組合わせを駆使することができるようになりました。
すなわちハープ、ピアノ、パーカッション３種類の楽器という横の線３本による組み合わせ、そしてこの３種類の楽器を一つと考えたときにできる縦の線が３本というわけです。
これによって先ほどリハーサルでも聴いていただいたような多様な響きを作り出すことができました。
これはパウル・ザッハーの９０歳の誕生日に捧げた曲ですが、９０歳と９人をかけて語呂あわせをした、というわけではありません。それは偶然そうなったにすぎないのです。
- 36 ：
- 板違いらしいので誘導しておきますね。
世界の赤西 ◆Jin Akanishi◆
https://lavender.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/mjsaloon/1379529009/
- 37 ：
- 35
36
亀婆発狂中
精神疾患患う婆さん乙。
- 38 ：
- 331 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:02:51 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) The ID:uraCrKnu 37 2007 January 05, year 23:02.
M. F.
> Tamae Tokioka
I am sorry for late the answer.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
For the time being though it is not thought that it becomes an answer so much.
- 39 ：
- ↑亀婆発狂してはスレ潰すから恐ろしい！
- 40 ：
- 38 2007年01月06日 20:26
時岡玉枝
＞M.F.さま
私の発言のような、単にエンピリカル/プラグマティックな物言いで 誤魔化されることは
お嫌いなのだろうな、という事は 承知の上で、
敢えて、わたしレヴェルの意見に 真摯にお答えいただきましたことには、
おおげさでなく 心より感謝いたします。
皮肉と受け取らないでいただければ 幸いなのですが…
と同時に、やはり M.F.さまですら、
ブーレーズ自身というより、受容・解釈モデルでの問題は大きな障害になっているのだな、
とご教示いただき、反省いたしました。
殊に「事実の入念な検討」に関するご指摘、まことに耳が痛いです。
ひとつだけ、お耳に入れるのも苦しい話題ですが、わたしは『のだめカンタービレ』の
ファンと、エマニュエル・パーユやケラスの表層的なファンと、ブーレーズ関係の音楽学が
なぜこうも 凄まじく乖離してしまうのか、そこに答えを出せないと、このバナールな
『のだめ』＝クラシックファンやＢＰＯマニアレヴェルの 疑問にも、少なくとも
ドメスティックレヴェルでは まともに向き合えないような気がしているのです。
（この『のだめ』を、よしんばチェリビダッケやアーノンクールにまでレヴェルアップしても、
状況は変わらない気がします）
…もちろん、「それこそ自己責任だ」とおっしゃられるとすれば、まったく異議はございません。
「あまり返事にはなっていない」とおっしゃるのは、無論ご謙遜で、重要な示唆をいただいて
おります。
ライヴエレクトロニクスについては、ご承知のように それこそ４Ｘの時代から、ほとんど
（従来のミュジコロジー的観点からは）説明不可能な事態が続いており、「単に修辞的な
説明しかない」という抗議であれば、むしろスペクトル楽派以後の世代に 向けるべきなの
かもしれません。その点で、Penser la musique aujourd'hui などはギリギリの選択＝投企
なのだということも、ある程度 理解できるつもりでおります。
いずれにもせよ、「ブーレーズがそれ（レクチャー等のEnlightenment… この語が適切で
あるかはともかく）を文字にする時間を手に入れられるのはいつになるのか」という問いは、
感傷交じりに、非常に実存的な問題として受け取らせていただきました。
ありがとうございます。
- 41 ：
- ↑亀婆は暇だから徘徊しては赤西スレ全潰しを施行中
- 42 ：
- ↓純邦楽板や現代音楽板に見られる赤西スレ乱立およびスレが潰されるまでの一連はアンチの自演という説が提唱されました。
387 NO MUSIC NO NAME 2018/07/02(月) 18:13:28.44 ID:RDQ9fEq3
ID変えては赤西スレ乱立して潰す自演が滑稽で大草原
https://lavender.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/musicjm/1323603557/387-
- 43 ：
- どもー>>1でーす
スレ乱立も埋め立ても自演でしたー
どうしてバレちゃったのかなー(笑)
- 44 ：
- まー自分のスレなので好きにやっちゃいまーす
- 45 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 46 ：
- 332 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:03:35 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
- 47 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 48 ：
- 332 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:03:35 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
- 49 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 50 ：
- 332 :For 74 seconds for seven minutes: At 01:03:35 of 2008/02/01
(Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
- 51 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 52 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 53 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 54 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 55 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 56 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 57 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 58 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 59 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 60 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 61 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 62 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 63 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 64 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 65 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 66 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 67 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 68 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 69 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 70 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 71 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 72 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 73 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 74 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 75 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 76 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 77 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 78 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 79 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 80 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 81 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 82 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 83 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 84 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 85 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 86 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 87 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 88 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 89 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 90 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 91 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 92 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 93 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 94 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 95 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 96 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 97 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
- 98 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 99 ：
- 「観念論者たるブーレーズの極めて峻烈な音楽美学」
ピエール・ブーレーズによる作曲家、音楽学者であるセレスタン・ドリエージュとの1970年代の対話です。
前衛音楽の闘士らしく、そこで開陳される音楽論、音楽美学は極めて峻烈なもので、
観念論者たるブーレーズの音楽観の一端をうかがい知ることができます。
音楽における「構造」の存在の重要性を何より主張するブーレーズによる“note”と“composition”の違いへの言及から、
各時代による音楽の様式の変化、果ては民族音楽まで、広い音楽知識と卓抜した音楽理解力が全て氏の強烈な個性のもとに焼き尽くされ、
昇華されて、彼から流れ出す深い音楽に対する洞察の数々が読むものを酔いしれさせます。
私の音楽の美学的な面において最も影響を与えた書です。
- 100 ：
- (Friday) Tamae 20:26 Tokioka on the ID:uraCrKnu 38 2007 January 06,
year.
> M.F .
Remark..only..plug..Mattick..deceive..hate..thing..agree..especially..opinion..
sincere..answer..exaggerated..sincerely..thank.Sarcastically though it is great if
it is possible to hold … ..no receipt..
M.F ..still.. at the same time . It was taught that no big hurdle, and reflected on the
problem in the receipt and the interpretation model rather than Boulez. It especially
points out concerning "Deliberate examination of the fact", and it has a pain in the ear
truly. As for me, the musicology related to a fan of 'Useless cantabile', a surface fan of
Emanuel Paryu and Keras, and Boulez is unbridgeable gulf, and if it is not possible to
find an answer to a question there, thinks that the doubt of this 'Uselessness' = banal
classic fan and BPO Maniarevel cannot be at least opposite straight with Domesticcrevel,
too so why terrifically though is a painful topic putting only one in the ear.
(The situation thinks that it doesn't change as long as this 'Uselessness' even is
Revelapped to Celibidache and Arnoncul. )
… There is no objection at all if said, "Only it is a self-responsibility" of course.
Of course, saying, "Do not become an answer" gets an important suggestion for modesty.
Live..electronics..agreement..hardly..so far..viewpoint..explanation..situation..
continue..only..rhetoric..explanation..protest..rather..spectrum..easy..sect..
generation..turn.It will be able to be understood that Penser la musique aujourd 'hui
etc. are very limit selection = Tacra in the respect to some degree and descends.
I was going to do sooner or later, and to receive the question "When does securable
become at time that Boulez makes it (Enlightenment of the lecture etc. … This word is
appropriate or apart from) a character?" in the sentiment mixing as a very existing
problem. Thank you.
Boulez..Japan..Boulez..music..speech..situation..have..dissatisfied..chiefly..at
least..in general..wide..circulate..one..for..a little..pedantically..level..
discussion..a lot..score..substantial..content..depress..one..hardly..provide..
thing..understand.
Certainly, a theoretical description is hardly seen in Boulez's writing since a
certain time. This is personally one of the big dissatisfaction though three works
that use the live electronics cannot buy even the score. Peel..after this..say..
almost all..for instance..include.
However, if the memory is correct (Though it is not because of looking at me
and having heard it), Boulez thinks that it had gone occasionally in the
lecture concerning making by oneself since the '70 age. When will obtaining
time become unnecessary (Except whether to have a mind to do) though he makes
it a character?
On the other hand..nowadays..Japan..Boulez..relate..remark..quality..low..one..hold..
problem..fact..deliberate..examination..lack..score..analysis..know..level..Japanese..
reference..Boulez..writing..material..hit..thing..originate..think..writer..
responsibility..think.
I feel either by finding an appropriate explanation for general even of the side
that can talk when correlating with other arts about the music of the 20th century
including Boulez or should talk the situation nowadays that should be supplemented
for myself because it is rare (He is type that avoids an immediate reference, and
because understanding is not easy alone though there is a Mr. word that Boulez dusts
of course) is indescribably inconvenient.
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