【フェデで】史上最強議論終結の知らせ【異論なし】
おめでとう！★☆祝☆★GS18勝目！！
全仏を除くGS3大会で5勝という過去にも未来にもあり得ない超偉業を達成！
これにて史上最強兼最高テニス選手はロジャー・フェデラーに決定致しました。(個人的には前からそうだけど)
なので今後一切の最強議論を禁止にします！
↓以下ジョコータとナダルオタとサンプオタのブザマで滑稽な言い訳↓
フェデラーこそ最強です。
サンプオタ得意の虚勢を張ってしまいました。
どの時代でもGS優勝しましたからね
全仏以外全部5勝以上とか神過ぎる
異論なし
あれだけナダルに負けてるんだから
少なくとも史上最高ではある
ジョコータかな
どう考えてもフェデが最強だが
ずっとフェデ好きだよ
史上最強で異論なしです。
強さの持続力、時代の変化への適応力
タイトル数以上にこれだけ長期間トップクラスに居続けることが凄い
やっぱ史上最強はナダルのイメージが強い
史上最高のテニス選手なのは間違いないよ すばらしい
ナダルジョコマレー破ってGS優勝何回になったか知ってる？
それにナダルは1シーズンですらGS４大会全部決勝に行ったことすらないじゃん
異論なさすぎる
史上最強はサンプラススレに移動しよう 👀
Rock54: Caution(BBR-MD5:39828eafcc6c2073b074103bd7eecdc9)
全盛期ナダルが史上最強だと思うけどな
○○が最強と言ってもそれを決定づけることも否定しきることもできない
ある意味自由なもの
ただ残した実績・数字は確かなもんだからね
「GS18勝はフェデラーです」と言って「いやサンプラスが18勝だよ」と言っても誰も聞いてくれないし
「ナダルは全仏で優勝していないよな」と言われれば「いえ9回も優勝しています」と否定できる
客観的で確かなものは実績の数字だけ
だから偉大さを決めるならそれで決めましょうって話になっている
土で史上最高の成績を残したのはナダルで総合だとフェデラー
これは数字が確かに裏付けしているということ
芝最強がフェデラー
インドアハード最強がジョコ
柔軟にプレイスタイルを変化でき、長期間トップに居続けるという意味でフェデラーが史上最高なのは異論ない
稀有な存在というのが結論だな。両者とも素晴らしかった。
ロッドレバーのがすごいよ。年間グランドスラムだし
ジョコは現状でも優勝候補筆頭だから
調子上がれば2，3個連続で取る可能性もあるしまだ分からんな
結論が出るのは3年後
最強はナダルだな
フェデラーははじめて全豪でナダルに勝てたな
ナダル ジョコはあと８回くらいずつ優勝するよ
ほかに候補がいないからな
フェデラーはナダルに負けまくりだからな
今年１６回〜１７回はいくのは確実
ジョコとどちらがとるかだが
マレーの優勝はない
今14回だから、それは無理
せいぜい全仏ぐらいが関の山
ナダルはまだ若いからな
復活したなら、あと３年くらいは優勝あらそうよ
とりあえず、復活なら今後３年はナダルジョコの優勝争いになる
マレーは無理
>>7-8
最強はナダルかな
最強はナダル押しが多いか
>>29もそんな感じだが、結論は四年後くらいまで待ちそうやね
フェデラーはナダルにあれだけやられているのと、
ゴールデングランドスラマーではないのが痛い
ジョコもオリンピック取れてないな
強さと年齢からして３年後のオリンピックがラスト(ナダル、マレーにも再度可能性はある)
年間グランドスラムはジョコが一番可能性は高いか
ナダル復活だと難しいが
年間GS達成したレーバーでしょ
数字で見るなら
強さってのはあくまで当時の相対的なものだから、
マックのテニスは今の時代には
通用しないとか無意味だからね。
タイトルは、同世代にライバルがいないと、そのときに取りやすくなるが、年間GSは認めてもいいかもな
あとは直接対決もある
白鵬が、もし、きせの里や春日富士や、先輩の朝青龍にやられまくっていたら、たいしたことなくなってくるし
近年だとナダルは最強の１人だとは思う。オリンピックも制覇している
近年最強ともいわれているがジョコの強さはわかりにくいところもあるが、
ナダル以上かは今後わかってくるかもしれんが
２０２０年までに誰が優勝を重ね、オリンピックタイトルをとるかも面白い
GS18勝 1位在位302週とかもうね。
ジョコビッチが抜くかなあと一時期思ったりもしたけど
ナダルかジョコのどちらかだろう
レーバー19回（年間GS2回）が最強じゃね？
プロスラム入れるならって話だけど
まあフェデラー>>>>>ナダルサンプジョコは確定でいいと思う
全仏はパスしても良いと思う。クレーはナダルに頑張ってほしい。
スレタイと>>1を千回読め！！
昨日フェデラーが優勝した瞬間にもう史上最強は完全決定されたんだよ！
全世界のテニス関係者はフェデが史上最強兼最高であると認識してんのに、このスレのチビデブニートが新たに議論をふっかけるとかww
日本語読めない馬鹿にもう一度言うが、このスレは議論をするスレじゃねえ！！！！
フェデに惜しみない賛辞を贈るスレだ！！
議論したかったら自分のブログでやれ！
大炎上は不可避だがな！！！
以上！
２３回のやつもいるのか
年間GS２回は素晴らしいな
ナダル復活だとジョコと、東京オリンピックまでは争うわ
ナダルやジョコやマレーにあれだけやられているから強さはないな
日本語読めないアスペガイジR今すぐR
↑結局誰にも同意をもらえず孤独に13レス
どうせいつもの長文コピペ荒らししてるジョコータ兼失禁石なんだろうな
そのうちリアルで警察のお世話になって地獄に落ちることになる
滑稽すぎる
たまらんわ
さすがにナダルに１２勝２４敗くらいでは弱いし
ジョコやマレーにも負けているかも
☆ゴールデングランドスラマー
アガシ、ナダル
ゴールデングランドスラムを達成するのは誰か！
ジョコ１強だったが、ナダルが復活したなら、
ナダルとジョコが筆頭で４年間争っていくのは確実なのだから
マレーはこの二人よりは落ちるんじゃないか？
なんか、テニスのヘボ選手、修造臭がプンプンするｗ
これは定量的でわかりやすく、議論の余地がない
一方、何をもってして最強かってことの定義が定まってないよね
仮に強さをGS獲得数とし、直接対決の結果を無視するならば、なぜそのような定義が妥当であるかを論理的に示す必要があるよ
GS回数は負けてるし１位期間もそんなたいしたことないもんな
土では最強だけど総合的に最強かというと微妙
安定感がジョコフェデよりない
GSのSFがフェデラー41回、ジョコビッチ31回に対してナダル24回だもん
マレーの20回と大差ない数字
これには同意
グランドスラムの生涯獲得ポイントもフェデとジョコに劣る
フェデラーに勝ち越してるのは片手バックハンドとの相性がデカい気がするし、GSも半分以上は全仏だし。
というか、土魔神の強さがあまりに突き抜けてたから言われるんだろ
芝、高速ハードフェデラーでも、低速ハード、インドアジョコでも土魔神のような強さではなかった
全仏の本気の土魔神に勝てたやつはいない
ソダーリンのときはケガしてた
翌年の決勝では普通に倒せてたからあれは当たったタイミングが悪かっただけ
土魔神に勝てるプレーヤーはいないと断言できる
ただ総合的には完全にフェデラーで決まったってだけで
これは異論なし
二大大会
その実績みるとサンプラス、フェデラー、エドバーグ
、ベッカー、マック、コナーズ、レバーが
レジェンド
ナダルはイマイチ
フェデラーがサンプラスと同世代なら
フェデラーはグランドスラム三個取れたくらいだねwwww
フェデラーは世界ランキング2位で終わった
余裕があるね
誰も望んでいない」
」
ロジャー・フェデラー（全豪5勝 全仏1勝 全英7勝 全米5勝）
クリス・エバート（全豪2勝 全仏7勝 全英3勝 全米6勝）
マルチナ・ナブラチロワ（全豪3勝 全仏2勝 全英9勝 全米4勝）
ジャック・ニクラウス（マスターズ6勝 全米4勝 全英3勝 全米プロ5勝）
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
単独最多勝になってからじゃないか？
格下の全豪と全仏は参考記録扱いでしょう。
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
ラケットの進化によってクレー向きのプレースタイルもらうメジャーになったが
やっぱナダルは一段劣る。テニスとして綺麗だと思わない
それはそう思う。新しいテニスって感じだな
最初ナダルが優勝したときは、フレンチはたまにこういうのがでてくる大会だよなーってくらいに思ってたけど
そのまま連覇しまくりで、芝やハードでも勝ち続けるとは思わんかったな。すぐ故障すると思ってたし
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
基本的には90年代だけなんだよね
70年代はボルグが支配してビラスなどが絡み
80年代はレンドルとビランデルがそれぞれ5回ずつ決勝に進んで3回ずつ優勝
00年代から現在までナダルが支配してフェデラージョコビッチが対抗した
90年代だけ土で正真正銘強い選手がいなかったからタイトルをたらい回しにしただけだったりする
ほぼサンプラスの時代と一致 彼の前王者レンドルと次の王者フェデラーは全仏での十分強いからね
3大タイトルって呼ばれていた（格落ちしていたのは全豪）
全仏は70年代後半にはコナーズ、エバート、ボルグ、ナブラチロワが揃って出場しない年もあって底を迎えたけど
80年代以降は普通にビッグタイトル扱い
全豪もクーヨンの芝を脱してリバウンドエースになってからはビッグタイトル
全豪が格落ちだからうんぬんってのは80年代に活躍した選手同士の比較でしか使えないと思う
例えば同じメジャー7勝同士でもクーヨンタイトル2つ含んで全英タイトルを持たないビランデルと
全英3つ、全米4つのマッケンローならばマッケンローがだいぶ上だとするのは理解できる
でもあくまで80年代の選手までの比較で通用する理屈だと思われ
ま、それでも仮にGS18勝でフェデラーとジョコビッチが並んで
全豪7勝のジョコと全英7勝のフェデラーだとすればフェデラーをチョイスしたくなるってのはあるけどね
大原則はメジャータイトル数の比較であってその中身が出てくるのはタイトル数が同数で優劣つけがたい場合くらいじゃないかな？
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
その場合は「ナダルは生涯GSを達成したがサンプラスは全仏を取っていない、よってナダルが上」
こうザックリやられて終了だと思う
今回の決勝は史上1位と史上2位の争いだと言われていたし
ナダルが2位で、サンプラスが3位だとほぼ決まっているように思える
これに反論するとしてもサンプラスは全英を多く持っていてナダルが全仏を多く持っているから、という理屈は通用しない
そういう議論にならない
サンプラスが優勢だとすればそれはランキングで1位にいた期間がナダルよりも長いからってことになる
GS数が同数ならば生涯GSを達成しているかどうかで見るか？
それともGS以外の成績も含めたランキングも重視するか？そういう比較になる
全英か全仏かの問題ではないと思われる、サンプラスアガシ以降はメジャー4つの価値はほぼ等しい
その前のマッケンローとかは、全豪がクーヨンで賞金が安すぎたので
全豪には出場しないという選択肢を取る場合が多かった
さらに年上になるとコナーズは2回、ボルグは1回しか全豪に出ていない
四大メジャータイトルではなくせいぜい三大メジャータイトルでしかなかった時代の選手と四大時代の選手を
そのままメジャータイトル数で比較するのはやや不公平感がある
補正してあげるとしたらコナーズ、ボルグ、マッケンローの3選手かなとりあえず
彼らは8勝、11勝、7勝という数字よりもっと偉大だと思われる
コナーズやマッケンローはアガシよりは上と言えるだろうしボルグはサンプラスより上と言ってもいいかもね
レーバー、ボルグ、フェデの三択
タイトル、人気、支配力を考慮してね。
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
単独最多勝になってからじゃないか？
格下の全豪と全仏は参考記録扱いでしょう。
うん
それぞれ年間GS 全英5連覇 メジャー最多優勝生涯GS制覇
ってのが売りだと思う
全英5連覇ってのは今の基準以上に偉大とされてきた
ボルグは全仏のほうを多く勝ったけどその偉大さは全英の成功に裏打ちされていたんだよ
あとはナダルも全仏クレー最強っていうインパクトが強い
ジョコビッチはレーバーの影に隠れるけどメジャー4連勝は大したもの
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
しかも微差でしかない
全英が全豪の2倍や3倍価値がありますと主張しても相手にされないだろうね
そういう議論は日本以外でも見たことがないので
フェデラーは全英で5連覇7回優勝マッチ勝利数も最多だ、決勝進出もベスト4進出も最多だからGOATだ、ってんじゃなくて
彼はメジャー17勝、18勝だからGOATなんだよね
その大前提があってなおかつ、全英でも一番なんです生涯GSもやっています、
ナンバー1在位期間も最多です、これは他の誰よりも完璧ですねってだけの話
一番に来るのはあくまで常にメジャータイトル数、そこからはサンプラスアガシ以降の時代で何も変わっていないと思います
ただ最近はそれに加えアガシが主張してきた全種類のメジャー取るのが最高っていう考え方が強まってきているけどね
とかいうのはあくまで、サンプラスやアガシの世代から始まったお話
だからそういう定義が定まっていなかった時代の選手は
4つのメジャータイトル総数を増やそうと考えてプロテニス選手生活を送っていない
だからこそ全豪をパスしていたわけだよね
全豪をパスすればメジャー総数増やすチャンスは減るし、4種類取るチャンスも減る
それでもパスをしたのはそういう考え方が重要ではなかったから
だからコナーズ、ボルグ、マッケンローあたりの選手に今の基準を当てはめちゃうのは不公平ってことになる
彼らには配慮してやってもよい、古いからどうでもいいってのはちょっと乱暴
サンプラスはメジャー最多がGOATだと思い、アガシは全種類集めると偉大だと考えたけど
今は統一基準ができたよね
メジャー最多で全種類集めているのがGOATだという最もな理屈に落ち着いた
そしてそれを達成しているのがフェデラーであり達成するチャンスがあるのがナダルとジョコビッチ
近年の基準のGOATは実質この3人の争いとなる
ボルグはその基準ができる前の王者、レーバーもそう言える
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物
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